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  • Big edit to this post, after almost three years:

    Originally this post contained some information about the origin of the Romero building's textures using some guesswork from the textures themselves. However, after reflecting on it for some time, I realized that I was basically completely wrong in my findings, so I felt obligated to remove that particular finding, as it was a dead end. That, and having a picture of some random building is weird as hell. Anyways, enjoy the rest of this thread, which actually details with stuff that is more believable, even if some of it is far fetched.

    TL;DR Original post was incorrect, read replies for good stuff.

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    • Shop.
      This shop looks similar tbh, and the alley exactly resembles the cemeterys' alley. Another thing I want to note is that the bridge near the shop clearly looks like the one in Little Haiti, connecting two districts, almost the same design. It has been 16 years, so a; ot of things might've changed but yeah, this looks legit.

      And the other thing that I want to tell, earlier today Jim stated about a theory; The Romero's building address is 1499 (look closely.) The address of House 252 is 252, obviously. 1499 - 252 is 1247.

      So, this might seem a little vague, but the Dracula portrait at Romero's (or the Dracula) is related to 1247. As you all know that Vlad was a Wallachian ruler and their reign started in 1247. This could be a very well hidden reference.

      If you want to know more: 

      • Wallachian law required that the voivode (governor) be elected by a small council of nobles called boyers. While in principle this was meant to prevent any one ruler from usurping power. Unfortunately, the result was political anarchy. the From 1418 through 1456, the start of Dracula’s second and most notorious reign, the Wallachian throne exchanged hands no less than eighteen times. Typically, the reigns lasted only a few months or a couple years, and rulers often gained, lost, and then regained the throne (“Walalchian Voivodes 1247-1859”).
      • (“Walalchian Voivodes 1247-1859”). NOTE THIS.


      Shop1

      Strangely, you can see some graffiti near the shop, that seems to be erased (again it has been over a decade), you can spot the graffiti in the game too. But I am not too sure what does KT Lee, Tony, Steve or Big Pete mean. This remains a mystery.

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    • 1499 - 252 is of course, 1247. This is when the Voivodes era began. 1499 + 252 is 1751. The era lasted until 1859, are there any inque events that happened in 1751 as well?

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    • Such a reference can be derived from Stoker's Dracula, he talked about a spider that lived for over a century in the tower of a certain Spanish church. And one of the books states this about such a spider, I know it's a rough guess but it is what it is; A still more extraordinary instance of the same kind occurred during the year 1751, in the Cathedral of Milan. A vast spider was observed there, which fed on the oil of the lamps. M. Morland, of the Academy of Sciences, has described this spider, and furnished a drawing of it. It weighed four pounds, and was sent to the Emperor of Austria, and is now in the Imperial Museum at Vienna.

      Credits; Coldeweys.

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    • That's the only 1751 related to Stoker's Dracula.

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    • There is a church in Little Haiti, right? That may not be a reference to the Funeria Romero exactly, but it could be to another myth. (Giant Spiders? probably mark it as false.)

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    • Eglise Baptiste De La Regeneration is French in origin, and these legends kept dwelling between France, Italy, Romania and Spain. We could relate them though.

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    • Yeah, Milan especially (where this was reported) was basically under French influence until Italy came united. The Romance countries are pretty similar though, they definitely are connected. The white blob in the window at House 252 could actually be this spider, but the color of it is unknown.

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    • Gunshow20 wrote:
      Yeah, Milan especially (where this was reported) was basically under French influence until Italy came united. The Romance countries are pretty similar though, they definitely are connected. The white blob in the window at House 252 could actually be this spider, but the color of it is unknown.

      Exactly what I meant, noice. We could absolutely make a page about the Spider, it should be ordered and pretty well explained. 

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    • BASEMENT VC

      The basement with the Door.

      MULLY GRAF

      Adjacent Rockstar graffiti

      Huge discovery! This changes the game.

      Inbetween the Funeria and Romero's Butcher is a small chinese shop called Riverside Pavillion. Well, I have one theory. The Romero family owns the Riverside Pavillion as another business front to cover up their atrocities. The Romero's own everything in that block, from House 252 and the Graveyard, and of course their own businesses. It isn't too far fetched to say that the Romero's would also own this business, or at least the property it operates on.

      Well, it gets crazier.

      Just down the street is another Riverside Pavillion store. Located right next it is what the myth hunting community calls "the basement." It is a strange location with even stranger textures. It dips down for basically no reason what-so-ever. There is a door here that is connected to the Riverside Pavillion for basically no reason, because there are doors in the front and back that would be much more convinent to use. This leads to a bigger theory. I think the RP leads people down into this basement, kills them, and uses their bodies to send to the Romero's. Where is the evidence? Well, just in front of this basement has some Graffiti that has a Rockstar logo and the word MULLY. This is a reference to Steven Muholland, as Mully is his nickname and he works at Rockstar. It just so happens that a tombstone with a Rockstar logo and Steven Muholland's name is on display at the Funeraria Romero.

      There is so much connection between the Orential shop and the Romero's, and I don't think it's a coincidence.

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    • ABANDONED HOMES ROMERO

      I counted 8 houses in this complex... all abandoned.

      Another theory related to this. Exactly adjacent to the Riverside Pavillion is this large complex of completely abandoned houses. This is one of the largest areas in the entire game... and it's completely empty. I theorize that this is abandoned due to Romero activity. First, the Romero's started killing it's occupants because of it's close proximity, and the remaining inhabitants later fled the area out of fear.
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      These are some pictures for those who don't know about the location. You should also note the Niga texture on the wall, and we all know about riots that took place in Miami, so rockstar might've referenced the Haitian community and this might be used as a torture chamber. Again, all the burned up mess in Little Haiti, all this might be very well related.
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    • Gunshow20 wrote:
      ABANDONED HOMES ROMERO

      I counted 8 houses in this complex... all abandoned.

      Another theory related to this. Exactly adjacent to the Riverside Pavillion is this large complex of completely abandoned houses. This is one of the largest areas in the entire game... and it's completely empty. I theorize that this is abandoned due to Romero activity. First, the Romero's started killing it's occupants because of it's close proximity, and the remaining inhabitants later fled the area out of fear.

      It may be possible that the Romero's effectuated the basement to abduct the people and sneak off to the restaurant, acting cannibal and selling the remains in the market i.e. their own shop.

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    • Well... that was my theory also so I'd have to agree

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    • Rockstar sends teams to look at the area their game is going to be based off of. it's doesn't surprise me that it has the same look and address. Nice job finding it though.

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    • I'm really impressed with those finds! Nice work GS and Ali!

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    • GS6

      Nothing to add much but noticed this closed shutter behind one of the houses. Looks odd, could this be related to the event?

      That's hard to know but weird for sure, there's some graffiti paint, on the top too. 

      Whatever it is, it is bound to something strange for sure, maybe it was a removed shop or just another deleted item.

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    • 98212

      Just found this sort of manhole right infront of the Riverside Pavilion, I am thinking that this may be a speedy portal to the shop or something even more shady.

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    • You should check the other RP as well. If it's there, then it basically confirms our theory that they are killing for the Romero's.

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    • It's plain floor, however, it maybe possible that the door leads to the manhole, just a theory.

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    • That door is underground anyway. Perhaps they could have a system of tunnels down there. Rooms for killing and torturing, etc. And of course, a tunnel that leads to that manhole so they can delieve the organs. Of course this is just a theory.

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    • Gunshow20 wrote:
      That door is underground anyway. Perhaps they could have a system of tunnels down there. Rooms for killing and torturing, etc. And of course, a tunnel that leads to that manhole so they can delieve the organs. Of course this is just a theory.

      Tunnels were meant to be placed in the game, I mentioned the proof in my video as well, so it is entirely possible that Rockstar just left the remaining stuff i.e. basement door, manholes and didn't add detail. 

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    • I have another theory! There is an oriental food restaurant near the Butcher's, right? And I just realised, that the restaurant was buying human organs for their food! I heard somewhere, that in China (which is one of oriental countries, probably), they eat a soup made of unborn kids! Bleh! So, they could make the food with human organs!

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    • I am going to necobump this thread with some relevant info. This is what we know:

      • A giant spider was found in a church in Milan in 1751.
      • Eglise[...] is a church in Little Haiti that is French, not Italian.

      Well, this is what I found: the full story.

      • In the original giant spider story, a church is also mentioned in Paris where the giant spider was also sighted.
      • Eglise[...] is a French church, so there is a connection.
      • The story claims that the spider's corpse was sent to the Emperor of Austria in Vienna.
      • Milan was under Austrian control in 1751, until Napoleon (a frenchman) conquered it in 1796.

      So from this we can assume:

      • Eglise is actually home to a giant spider, because it matches the location (France) and the circumstances.
      • The other spider story in Milan is also historically correct, but it is unrelated to Vice City.

      See:

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    • The same book that categories the giant spider sighting in Milan also has one about a large spider that attacks birds in the Caribbean islands and the southern USA just underneath it. It says that the spider's body is at least one and a half inches long, or bigger. This implies that the spider has a very, very large leg span.

      You may say that the spider is the Goliath Birdeater, however this is wrong as the Goliath is only native to the Guyana region and some parts of northern Brazil. Therefore, it cannot be this.

      The next likely suspect is the Huntsman spider, the only other spider of comparable size to the book's creature, that also happens to live in the southern US and Caribbean islands. Well, this is likely as the book describes it as moving fast, attacking birds and lizards, and hiding in nooks and crannies, just like the Huntsman in real life.

      This does not debunk the myth though, in fact it makes it even more powerful. As seen here, a good comparison to a fully grown, adult Huntsman is about the size of a US penny. A US penny is less than an inch in total. Therefore, the mythical spider mentioned would need to be at least twice as large as a normal Huntsman.

      Spiders of this size actually live in Laos, Vietnam and other south Asian states. This means that they would be nowhere near the Caribbean or Florida.

      Vice City and Florida both exist at the same time (as seen in the Move Over Miami billboards in Little Haiti.) With the inclusion of the Gator Keys initially, it implies that Vice City is located somewhere near the Florida mainland and the Caribbean sea. It just so happens that Huntsman spiders live in Texas, Florida and the Caribbean.

      It is possible that the giant spider in Vice City is just a very large huntsman, and not the mythical creature mentioned in Milan.

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    • Yeah, but the relation was derived from Stoker's reference, not pretty sure but I'll go through some documents to see if something is related to this creature.

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    • Just found something interesting but this internet was getting limited again and again. 

      The Hairy Beast from Hell (the King Kong movie) is inspired from the 1957 movie, Monster from Green Hell, which was based on a gigantic spider made out of an abnormal wasp caused due to toxic jet chemicals. Again, we are getting closer and closer.

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    • Xalbador Gliese 581C wrote:
      Just found something interesting but this internet was getting limited again and again. 

      The Hairy Beast from Hell (the King Kong movie) is inspired from the 1957 movie, Monster from Green Hell, which was based on a gigantic spider made out of an abnormal wasp caused due to toxic jet chemicals. Again, we are getting closer and closer.

      Nicely found!

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    • I never though this myth would be this deep, you guys have done a great job!

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    • Gunshow20 wrote:
      The same book that categories the giant spider sighting in Milan also has one about a large spider that attacks birds in the Caribbean islands and the southern USA just underneath it. It says that the spider's body is at least one and a half inches long, or bigger. This implies that the spider has a very, very large leg span.

      You may say that the spider is the Goliath Birdeater, however this is wrong as the Goliath is only native to the Guyana region and some parts of northern Brazil. Therefore, it cannot be this.

      The next likely suspect is the Huntsman spider, the only other spider of comparable size to the book's creature, that also happens to live in the southern US and Caribbean islands. Well, this is likely as the book describes it as moving fast, attacking birds and lizards, and hiding in nooks and crannies, just like the Huntsman in real life.

      This does not debunk the myth though, in fact it makes it even more powerful. As seen here, a good comparison to a fully grown, adult Huntsman is about the size of a US penny. A US penny is less than an inch in total. Therefore, the mythical spider mentioned would need to be at least twice as large as a normal Huntsman.

      Spiders of this size actually live in Laos, Vietnam and other south Asian states. This means that they would be nowhere near the Caribbean or Florida.

      Vice City and Florida both exist at the same time (as seen in the Move Over Miami billboards in Little Haiti.) With the inclusion of the Gator Keys initially, it implies that Vice City is located somewhere near the Florida mainland and the Caribbean sea. It just so happens that Huntsman spiders live in Texas, Florida and the Caribbean.

      It is possible that the giant spider in Vice City is just a very large huntsman, and not the mythical creature mentioned in Milan.

      You mention that large spiders can be found in some Asian countries. Could this have something to do with the Oriental restaurant? Could they have smuggled the spider or something?

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